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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Mikko</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 13:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minor correction to one of the previous comments: While the Finnish TV is fully digital, the plans for digital radio were abandoned some years ago. Mainly because the people behind them were making a horrible mess out of it.</description>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Dubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty critical of the DAB (Eureka 147) format myself. It was already an obsolete format when it was first implemented, and the biggest downfall is that it&#039;s non-upgradable (you can&#039;t broadcast firmware updates, for instance) - but things aren&#039;t as bad as you might think. 

Although the BBC has been the biggest investor in DAB, and the UK the most enthusiastic adopter (alongside the Scandinavian countries), it is the single most widely used digital radio platform worldwide. Second would be satellite radio - eg Sirius, XM (now defunct) and Worldspace (now defunct); third would be HD Radio (In-Band-On-Channel), which broadcasts digital signals on existing FM frequencies; and fourth would be Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM), which is mostly used for low bitrate, long distance shortwave service replacement.

Here are the countries using (and intending to use) our DAB system as the platform for digital radio services: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worlddab.org/country_information&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.worlddab.org/country_information&lt;/a&gt;.

The criticism I&#039;ve heard about the audio fidelity is more because of spectrum allocation and overcrowding of signals, rather than the capacity of the platform itself (data compression, rather than audio compression). That is, that DAB sounds much worse than CD (fair) rather than worse than FM (not fair). 

Generally speaking, it&#039;s better than streaming audio up to about 128k. The fact that some broadcasters are putting out music programmes in mono on DAB is simply because they&#039;re bandwidth greedy and should be slapped. It&#039;s not the platform.

There are two reasonable negative comparisons with FM. The first is more about reception with respect to line of sight to transmitter. If you lose a DAB signal, the music goes away completely. If you lose FM signal, it just goes fuzzy. But where your coverage is good, your signal is fine. Things are better in places that use Band III VHF rather than the much higher frequency L-band for broadcasting. Higher frequencies are more directional, and so obstacles can become a problem.

The second is that DAB doesn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;need&lt;/em&gt; the brutal processing that FM radio does, but broadcasters still use it. FM radio is compressed to hell - the dynamic range and the frequency range squashed within an inch of its life. Digital broadcasts don&#039;t require the same level of processing (arguably, nor do FM broadcasts, but that&#039;s where we are), but the reason broadcasters still use it is partly because they believe people think that this is what radio is supposed to sound like, but mostly because of &lt;a href=&quot;http://turnmeup.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Loudness War&lt;/a&gt;, which is even worse in radio than it is in CD mastering.

In effect, the complaint is that DAB sounds &lt;em&gt;as bad as&lt;/em&gt; FM. 

I would like to see all existing terrestrial over-the-air broadcasts (AM, FM &amp; DAB) shift to internet streaming, given a good compression algorithm like AAC+, and given free, ubiquitous wifi. 

In the meantime, I&#039;d like to see an opening up of the spectrum for legal, unlicenced micro-broadcasting on the FM band. It works just fine in New Zealand where there&#039;s no pirate radio - because it&#039;s perfectly legal to broadcast to a small geographic area on a particular bit of the FM dial.

But given the investment in the broadcast technology, the commitment across all political parties and OfCom to a managed digital &#039;switchover&#039;, the incredible market penetration and frequent upgrade habits of consumers in the mobile marketplace, a diversity of existing services and the advantages of free, over the air public and private broadcasting, the fact that the DAB chips are so cheap and plentiful, the (potential) audio fidelity despite the bad reputation, and just how easy it would be to do this, it&#039;s difficult to see a downside.

Had this been done even 5 years ago, DAB would be utterly embedded by now. The one thing holding up its development has been that people didn&#039;t want to buy expensive dedicated receivers - but they&#039;ll spend more than double that without blinking on a handset that would be perfectly capable of doing the same job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty critical of the DAB (Eureka 147) format myself. It was already an obsolete format when it was first implemented, and the biggest downfall is that it&#8217;s non-upgradable (you can&#8217;t broadcast firmware updates, for instance) &#8211; but things aren&#8217;t as bad as you might think. </p>
<p>Although the BBC has been the biggest investor in DAB, and the UK the most enthusiastic adopter (alongside the Scandinavian countries), it is the single most widely used digital radio platform worldwide. Second would be satellite radio &#8211; eg Sirius, XM (now defunct) and Worldspace (now defunct); third would be HD Radio (In-Band-On-Channel), which broadcasts digital signals on existing FM frequencies; and fourth would be Digital Radio Mondiale (DRM), which is mostly used for low bitrate, long distance shortwave service replacement.</p>
<p>Here are the countries using (and intending to use) our DAB system as the platform for digital radio services:<br />
<a href="http://www.worlddab.org/country_information" rel="nofollow">http://www.worlddab.org/country_information</a>.</p>
<p>The criticism I&#8217;ve heard about the audio fidelity is more because of spectrum allocation and overcrowding of signals, rather than the capacity of the platform itself (data compression, rather than audio compression). That is, that DAB sounds much worse than CD (fair) rather than worse than FM (not fair). </p>
<p>Generally speaking, it&#8217;s better than streaming audio up to about 128k. The fact that some broadcasters are putting out music programmes in mono on DAB is simply because they&#8217;re bandwidth greedy and should be slapped. It&#8217;s not the platform.</p>
<p>There are two reasonable negative comparisons with FM. The first is more about reception with respect to line of sight to transmitter. If you lose a DAB signal, the music goes away completely. If you lose FM signal, it just goes fuzzy. But where your coverage is good, your signal is fine. Things are better in places that use Band III VHF rather than the much higher frequency L-band for broadcasting. Higher frequencies are more directional, and so obstacles can become a problem.</p>
<p>The second is that DAB doesn&#8217;t <em>need</em> the brutal processing that FM radio does, but broadcasters still use it. FM radio is compressed to hell &#8211; the dynamic range and the frequency range squashed within an inch of its life. Digital broadcasts don&#8217;t require the same level of processing (arguably, nor do FM broadcasts, but that&#8217;s where we are), but the reason broadcasters still use it is partly because they believe people think that this is what radio is supposed to sound like, but mostly because of <a href="http://turnmeup.org/" rel="nofollow">The Loudness War</a>, which is even worse in radio than it is in CD mastering.</p>
<p>In effect, the complaint is that DAB sounds <em>as bad as</em> FM. </p>
<p>I would like to see all existing terrestrial over-the-air broadcasts (AM, FM &#038; DAB) shift to internet streaming, given a good compression algorithm like AAC+, and given free, ubiquitous wifi. </p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;d like to see an opening up of the spectrum for legal, unlicenced micro-broadcasting on the FM band. It works just fine in New Zealand where there&#8217;s no pirate radio &#8211; because it&#8217;s perfectly legal to broadcast to a small geographic area on a particular bit of the FM dial.</p>
<p>But given the investment in the broadcast technology, the commitment across all political parties and OfCom to a managed digital &#8217;switchover&#8217;, the incredible market penetration and frequent upgrade habits of consumers in the mobile marketplace, a diversity of existing services and the advantages of free, over the air public and private broadcasting, the fact that the DAB chips are so cheap and plentiful, the (potential) audio fidelity despite the bad reputation, and just how easy it would be to do this, it&#8217;s difficult to see a downside.</p>
<p>Had this been done even 5 years ago, DAB would be utterly embedded by now. The one thing holding up its development has been that people didn&#8217;t want to buy expensive dedicated receivers &#8211; but they&#8217;ll spend more than double that without blinking on a handset that would be perfectly capable of doing the same job.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Andrew Cowie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Cowie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t the reason that only the UK and (I think) Finland have adopted DAB as a digital radio standard so no US device like the iPod would want one and neither would 99% of their global customers? You&#039;ll know more about this than me but I assumed part of the BBC&#039;s problem with 6 Music and the Asian Network is that DAB as a platform hasn&#039;t taken off - FM sounds better, FM radios are cheaper, the batteries last longer and it&#039;s open so anyone can launch their own local pirate FM station. If you want more choice you can play internet radio on anything so I&#039;m not sure what gap is being filled by DAB or why anyone would want it on a phone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t the reason that only the UK and (I think) Finland have adopted DAB as a digital radio standard so no US device like the iPod would want one and neither would 99% of their global customers? You&#8217;ll know more about this than me but I assumed part of the BBC&#8217;s problem with 6 Music and the Asian Network is that DAB as a platform hasn&#8217;t taken off &#8211; FM sounds better, FM radios are cheaper, the batteries last longer and it&#8217;s open so anyone can launch their own local pirate FM station. If you want more choice you can play internet radio on anything so I&#8217;m not sure what gap is being filled by DAB or why anyone would want it on a phone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Dubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh - and I meant to say - a dedicated chip doesn&#039;t use your phone&#039;s brain to do the decoding, and it won&#039;t use any of your data plan. It&#039;s completely passive in that respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh &#8211; and I meant to say &#8211; a dedicated chip doesn&#8217;t use your phone&#8217;s brain to do the decoding, and it won&#8217;t use any of your data plan. It&#8217;s completely passive in that respect.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Dubber</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dubber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 22:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can already get internet radio. But DAB is different. 

The short version is that Internet Radio is not the same as broadcast radio, even if the same noises come out - just like YouTube and iPlayer are not the same thing as digital TV. I&#039;m talking here about a dedicated tuner and receiver - a DAB chip - built into the device, for the over-the-air reception of broadcast programming.

The long version, incidentally, is the subject of a 40,000 word dissertation that I wrote 5 years ago, but which I won&#039;t inflict on you here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can already get internet radio. But DAB is different. </p>
<p>The short version is that Internet Radio is not the same as broadcast radio, even if the same noises come out &#8211; just like YouTube and iPlayer are not the same thing as digital TV. I&#8217;m talking here about a dedicated tuner and receiver &#8211; a DAB chip &#8211; built into the device, for the over-the-air reception of broadcast programming.</p>
<p>The long version, incidentally, is the subject of a 40,000 word dissertation that I wrote 5 years ago, but which I won&#8217;t inflict on you here.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 017: Digital radio, somewhere useful by Simon Tucker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Tucker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So why dab and not Internet radio?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Idea of the day &#8211; 016: Pebble Splash by Deb Walsh</title>
		<link>http://www.andrewdubber.com/2010/03/idea-of-the-day-016/comment-page-1/#comment-3184</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb Walsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love that your 30 is including some like this that are just sensory and zen.  Great ideas aren&#039;t always about building something new, but often about doing something new for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love that your 30 is including some like this that are just sensory and zen.  Great ideas aren&#8217;t always about building something new, but often about doing something new for you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 14: I Made You A Tape by Cheryl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really loving the mix tape idea. I have made a lot of mix tapes in my day, most unappreciated, and I would definitely use a service like this!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really loving the mix tape idea. I have made a lot of mix tapes in my day, most unappreciated, and I would definitely use a service like this!</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 14: I Made You A Tape by Andrew Wicklander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Wicklander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 04:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,
This mix tape idea is definitely one of my favorite ideas. I&#039;m going with the 30 day numberless calendar, but this is one I&#039;m going to be thinking about for a while.  A really awesome idea.

Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,<br />
This mix tape idea is definitely one of my favorite ideas. I&#8217;m going with the 30 day numberless calendar, but this is one I&#8217;m going to be thinking about for a while.  A really awesome idea.</p>
<p>Andrew</p>
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		<title>Comment on 30 days of ideas &#8211; 15: Newspaper download codes by Ali '40_thieves' Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ali '40_thieves' Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How would this integrate with tablets (or even the Kindle)? Would an iPad app buyer get all the extra content? Would the app be a one-off payment or a subscription? Would it be possible to get the extra content with micropayments (I think that its possible to get Type 3 paying for extra content in one-off payments, as long as you provide clearly marked links - eg GigaOm)? I do like the physical paper as the paywall idea though - seems to be the best of both worlds.

PS. I hope you don&#039;t mind - I&#039;ll probably be copying the 30 days idea on my own blog soon :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How would this integrate with tablets (or even the Kindle)? Would an iPad app buyer get all the extra content? Would the app be a one-off payment or a subscription? Would it be possible to get the extra content with micropayments (I think that its possible to get Type 3 paying for extra content in one-off payments, as long as you provide clearly marked links &#8211; eg GigaOm)? I do like the physical paper as the paywall idea though &#8211; seems to be the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>PS. I hope you don&#8217;t mind &#8211; I&#8217;ll probably be copying the 30 days idea on my own blog soon :-)</p>
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